Draft Minutes
Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 2:00 p.m. -- 5:00 p.m.
Rochester Riverside Convention Center
Aqueduct B
123 East Main Street,Rochester, NY 14604
Present
Participants (5/15 + 5 Alt.)
Representing
Voting OEOSC Members
David Aikens
Past Chairperson (Zygo Corporation)
Sidney Braginsky
Olympus America, Inc., Retired, Alternate
Charles Campbell
OLA (Consultant), Alternate
Walter Czajkowski
APOMA (Edmund Optics)
Marla Dowell (by phone)
Chairperson (IEEE/LEOS (NIST))
Lincoln Endelman
SPIE (Endelman Enterprises), Alternate
Thomas Germer
NIST
Hal Johnson
Director (Harold Johnson Optical Lab)
Gene Kohlenberg
Secretary (OEOSC)
Allen Krisiloff
Chairperson-Elect (Triptar Lens Co. Inc.)
Albert C. Parr
NIST (Alternate)
James Peyton
International Imaging Industry Association
William Royall
Treasurer (Eastman Kodak Company)
Ronald Scotti
SPIE
Lee Shuett
Director (Nikon Inc.)
George Steares
Olympus America Inc.
Rich Linke
IEEE-LEOS, Alternate
William Strackbein
OPIA
Daniel Torgersen
OLA (Walman Optical)
Alan Tourtlotte
OSA
Observers (4)
Gordon Boultbee
JDS Uniphase Corporation
Charles Gaugh
Davidson Optronics, Inc.
Jonathan McGuire
Northrop Grumman Laser Systems, Alternate
Judie Oberheuser
Guest
Steven VanKerkhove
Corning Tropel
Welcome and Introductions:
M. Dowell opened the meeting at 1:10 p.m.
Approval of the Agenda:
A. Krisiloff moved that the draft agenda be modified to include new business items: Paris ISO meeting, Sid Braginsky
challenge to change the business plan. C. Gaugh seconded the motion, which carried.
Approval of January, 2007 OEOSC Board Meeting Minutes:
M. Dowell asked if there were any additions or corrections to the minutes. A. Krisiloff moved that the draft minutes
be accepted. W. Czajkowski seconded the motion, which carried.
Reports
Financial Budget.
W. Royall submitted an income and expense report for the first three months of 2007. Since he
could not attend, G. Kohlenberg reviewed the report for Bill.
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OEOSC
Treasurer's Report for 2007 Through April 30
Income
2006 Fees
188.00
2007 Fees
22,264.00
Training
4,100.43
Savings Interest
191.31
Sale of Standards
122.50
Total
26,866.24
Expenses
Administrative
10,116.11 Wages & Salary, travel, fees, other
Preparation of Standards
0
Training
64.63
Dues
19,180.00 ANSI
Total
29,360.74
End of April, 2007:
Checkbook balance
26,785.09
Savings balance
43,729.05
Total Cash
70,514.14
William E. Royall
May 15, 2007
A. Krisiloff asked if those who teach an OEOSC course are compensated for their expenses. The secretary said that
there is provision for compensation. The training policy is available on the OEOSC web site under the 2007 January Board
meeting documents. D. Aikens said that he was paid when he conducted a class at a company. G. Boultbee said that he has
not as yet charged for training.
D. Aikens noted that expenses were greater than income. He asked if there are any outstanding receipts. The secretary
said that there were some outstanding dues, as usual. There would be future training receipts. D. Aikens asked if the
Secretary predicted that OEOSC would have a positive cash flow in 2007. The Secretary replied that he did not expect to see
continued corporate sponsorship by Olympus America. So there would be a drop of receipts by $5,000. There could be a
small deficit in 2007.
ANSI/OEOSC OP Meeting Reports
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Optical Imperfections
Everyone at this Board meeting was at that meeting so we the activities were not
reviewed. The minutes of the meeting are on the OEOSC web site for review.
Optical Wavefront Measurement
D. Aikens reported for S. VanKerkhove. The wavefront project has been
split into two standards, OP1.004 to be led by P. Takacs,and OP1.005 led by S. VanKerkhove. During the OP1.004
portion of the meeting, V. Yashchuk discussed issues in developing such a standard, and made a presentation on
"Two dimensional power spectral density measurements of X-ray optics with the MicroMap interferometric
microscope." D. Aikens said that the scope for this standard will be challenging, and progress will be slow. We
should not expect a publishable version of OP1.004 until late 2009 or early 2010. The Task Force has made more
progress on the deterministic standard OP1.005, but is still struggling with the terms and definitions phase. S.
VanKerkhove accepted the task of writing an outline and a first cut of a notation section so that the group could then
settle upon the set of definitions required. D. Aikens expects that this draft will be ready for publishing in 2009.
The next meeting will be held in San Diego, CA in August. J. Harvey asked to have the meeting during the
week because he had a Sunday conflict. G. Boultbee had no preference when the imperfection meeting is held. D.
Aikens suggested that the Board meeting be held on Monday afternoon, the imperfections meeting on Sunday
morning, OP business meeting on Sunday afternoon, and the wavefront meeting on Monday morning.
Other Business
Trip Support for ISO Meetings.
M. Dowell noted that there is $2,500 in the 2007 budget to provide assistance to
those who need it to travel to ISO meetings. There are three requests for trip support:
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ISO/TC 172/SC 3 November Meeting in Kyoto, Japan
G. Boultbee, who is chairing the SC 3 meeting,
has requested $1,200;
·
ISO/TC 172/SC 1 June Meeting in Paris, France
A. Krisiloff has asked for $1,000;
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ISO/TC 172/SC 1 June Meeting in Paris, France
R. Williamson (amount not known).
D. Aikens moved that OEOSC provide trip support for the three up to the limit of $1,500. W. Czajkowski seconded
the motion. M. Dowell noted that in the worst case the budget would be exceeded by $1,200. Although the budget may be
exceeded for this item, other savings will probably keep the total budget in the black. The motion carried with one abstention
by A. Krisiloff.
Business Model.
D. Aikens stated that the business model, which originally was membership based, evolved about
two years ago into a model where the loss from membership was offset by including a business plan for selling training. It has
worked so far. The other business model centered on selling standards, but has never been viable. At earlier meetings the
concept of selling standards was expanded, as a result of a suggestion by R. Parks, to include the adoption of ISO standards as
national standards. This concept would increase the number of active standards in the OEOSC portfolio.
Adopting ISO 9211 as a test case.
If adoption of this standard benefits the US optics industry, OEOSC
should do it. Parts 1 and 2 are up for review at the Kyoto meeting, and 4 is up for final voting. D. Aikens moved
that OP wait until the revisions are complete, A. Krisiloff seconded the motion. The motion carried.
IEEE/LEOS Funding.
M. Dowell attended the CLEO IEEE/LEOS meeting the previous week. IEEE/LEOS
has about $250K for special projects. OEOSC could write a proposal for trip support for experts to attend ISO
meetings, or to subsidize some of OEOSC educational development. IEEE/LEOS is now offering free tuition for
students to attend short courses at IEEE meetings. She suggested that OEOSC could ask IEEE if they would be
willing to provide tuition aid for students to attend OEOSC training courses. The other possibility is to ask IEEE to
fund OEOSC instructors to teach the course at universities. There is a potential issue because IEEE/LEOS is an
international society, so IEEE/LEOS support would be for anybody to attend an ISO meeting, not just US
representatives. She asked if OEOSC is an international organization, which would have to manage any request.
The Secretary replied that OEOSC is a US organization which manages the US TAG to the international
organization. Only US experts participate on the TAG. ANSI requires OEOSC to accept international participation
on ASC OP. M. Dowell suggested that OEOSC should concentrate on US educational initiatives.
M. Dowell said that IEEE/LEOS assumed that projects would be on the order of $20K $50K range. She
wanted to be sure that the Board favored pursuing this idea, before she called the IEEE/LEOS coordinator to
determine if IEEE/LEOS would be interested in working with OEOSC.
D. Aikens asked if IEEE/LEOS was an OEOSC member. M. Dowell replied that it is and that she is the
representative on the OEOSC Board. D. Aikens thought that the Board would need to look to M. Dowell for
guidance concerning how to proceed. M. Dowell said that part of the project could be funds for instructors to travel
to universities to teach the scratch and short courses. She asked if there are OEOSC experts who would be willing to
travel to teach these short courses. This would mean more work for OEOSC's experts, but it would increase
OEOSC's visibility.
D. Aikens asked what would interest IEEE/LEOS. M. Dowell thought that the educational project would
attract their attention. IEEE/LEOS is pushing to develop short courses for students, and are always looking for ways
to send lecturers to schools to talk with students. This presents an opportunity for experts from industry to work with
students who will be seeking employment in industry rather than educational institutions. D. Aikens proposed that
OEOSC give the short course at four universities (perhaps U of R, U of A, Davis, CREOL, UNC Charlotte) of
IEEE/LEOS's choosing for $4,000 each. He would be willing to give OEOSC the profit from this activity. D.
Aikens said that he had a meeting with J. Bennett from the U of R to discuss presenting the class for free. In general,
if the class is given without compensation, he is not motivated to pursue teaching it.
J. McGuire said that there were courses at Davis sponsored by SPIE and OSA that were well received. As he
was leaving the school, IEEE was beginning to partner with the school, too. They had monthly or bi-monthly
noontime presentations by industry. The school had to motivate the students by offering free pizza, but 20 40
students attended.
D. Aikens said that the course is four hours long, and would have to be edited to fit into a 1½ 2 hour time
span. He suggested that OEOSC offer D. Aikens as the instructor to give the four-hour class at several universities.
M. Dowell said that she would contact IEEE/LEOS to see what they would think about the proposal.
M. Dowell asked if A. Krisiloff was developing one-hour short courses. D. Aikens answered that A. Krisiloff
was looking at the Glass Standard, OP3.001, and G. Boultbee was shortening the Scratch and Dig, OP1.002 class to
get it closer to one hour. G. Boultbee thought that he was supposed to be looking at standards from raw glass and
coatings, e.t.c., which would be a broad overview. He said that he has not gotten too far along, and could change
direction to shortening the scratch and dig class instead.
D. Aikens replied that he thought that G. Boultbee was to develop a survey tutorial for Irvine College
covering scratch and dig with some other material concerning coatings added.
A. Krisiloff thought that the one-hour class should be a reduced OP1.002, which would be more unique and
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easier to sell to IEEE/LEOS than a general survey of standards. In the future nothing stops OEOSC from offering a
survey class.
M. Dowell will talk to Alan Wilner at IEEE/LEOS before the next meeting. D. Aikens suggested that she sell
IEEE/LEOS on the product OEOSC makes rather than a new course. If they want to pay $10K for OEOSC to create
a new course, that would be the alternative, but there should be no strings attached whereby IEEE/LEOS would want
to dictate where and when OEOSC experts traveled. M. Dowell suggested that she could tell IEEE/LEOS where the
class is being taught and they could fund seats at these existing classes for students. A. Krisiloff urged that that
proposal be a part of the conversation.
D. Aikens suggested that M. Dowell be trained to teach the scratch and dig course so that she could handle the
task at IEEE/LEOS conferences. She said that she is not opposed to doing that. CLEO is held in May, alternating
between East and West coasts. Next spring CLEO will be in San Jose, CA. There is also an annual IEEE/LEOS
meeting in the fall, usually the week before or after the annual OSA meeting.
D. Aikens asked the secretary to follow up on the offer teach the course at OSA conferences.
One-Hour Briefing / Tutorial / Class.
G. Boultbee had previously set a goal of having a draft by the end of 2007,
and thought he might have material ready to discuss by San Diego. The question is whether it is a shortened OP1.002 course
or a survey. A. Krisiloff thought that a shortened OP1.002 course would be more easily accomplished. D. Aikens added that
it will be challenging to get it down to an hour, but if it could be cut to 40 50 minutes, then something about the glass
standard could be added, along with ISO 10110-7. It should be a surface defect discussion with some comments about other
standards that OEOSC wants to sell. A survey course would be difficult to make interesting. G. Boultbee agreed with that
observation.
ANSI/OEOSC OP3.001, Optical Glass.
A. Triptar had prepared a course outline that had been uploaded to the
OEOSC web site under the Board section. He said that he his first draft was a Power Point version, but he changed it to a text
document for the Board discussion. He suggested that the class be two 1 hour and 20 minute sessions because that is the
typical length of a college class. He thought that it is particularly important to determine for whom the course is intended, and
the level of education presumed. A copy of the course notes would be given to the student in addition to a copy of the
standard.
D. Aikens had a comment concerning the title "A SHORT COURSE ON THE ANSI OP 3.001-2001". He presumed
that the target audience would be attendees of conference short courses. That audience wants to learn about specifying glass.
So the title should be about the specification of bulk properties of glass, and the course should be placed in the context of
international standards to attract a larger audience.. A. Krisiloff liked those ideas. C. Gaugh suggested that there could be a
subtitle referencing OP3.001. D. Aikens said that if a reference to international standards could be worked into the title, so
much the better. Many do not know about OP3.001, so there is no recognition on the part of the participant about that
standard. C. Gaugh said that is why he was suggesting a subtitle, "A Short Course on Optical Glass Standards." The student
may assume that it covers ISO standards, and be introduced to OP3.001. D. Aikens added that the scope statement about the
course could also amplify the subject matter.
C. Gaugh suggested that under Section V, A. Krisiloff could supply a background bibliography. A. Krisiloff replied
that there is a bibliography of about a dozen documents in OP3.001, that he would refer to during the class. C. Gaugh
countered that he likes to do some background reading before he takes a course, so a bibliography in the course description
would be beneficial.
A. Krisiloff then discussed the outline of the course. D. Aikens said that the course should not be obsessive about
OP3.001, even though that is what we want to sell. What is included in the course outline is applicable to both the US and
ISO glass standards. D. Aikens added that there may be other glass standards as well, and a little research is required to
determine what options are available for the engineer. A. Krisiloff said that he has heard a lot of interest in international
standards from those he has contacted, so this approach is good. The class could contrast the various glass standards, which
would provide material to easily fill a three-hour course. G. Boultbee said that ISO/TC 172/SC 3 is considering a new draft
of the international glass standard, and the new draft will be a subject for discussion at the upcoming Kyoto meeting.
D. Aikens recommended that A. Krisiloff compare OP3.001 with ISO and any others that may exist. G. Boultbee said
that he could give him info concerning updated ISO documents.
D. Aikens offered support by other US experts to help A. Krisiloff complete this project.
G. Boultbee asked if there is a target date for giving the class for the first time. A. Krisiloff suggested that he create a
serious draft one for consideration for the January OEOSC meeting. G. Boultbee suggested that a separate session be
scheduled for reviewing the draft.
G. Boultbee suggested that if students were to read from a bibliography, then they may be disappointed in the material
actually presented in the class.
W. Czajkowski reminded the group about presentations concerning bulk glass characteristics from Schott, Kathleen
Richardson, APOMA, etc., that could be reviewed.
D. Aikens urged the Board to respect copyrights of manufacturers and other standards organizations concerning
information shared during the course.
D. Aikens also pointed out that a discussion of the Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive (ROHAS) would
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attract many to the class.
D. Aikens said another opportunity for this course is to present a unified glass map including all of the manufacturers
materials.
W. Czajkowski suggested that glass is actually a polycrystalline liquid rather than an "a frozen, amorphous, non-
crystalline liquid". A. Krisiloff said that this point was well taken, and that he needs to study the nature of glass.
C. Gaugh offered to act as a proofreader for the draft as it progresses.
D. Aikens suggested that OP should ask permission from the glass manufacturers to use their glass data in a unified
glass map that would become an annex of OP3.001 C. Gaugh noted that most glass manufacturers have cross-reference tables
for material from other manufacturers.
ISO 10110, Optical Drawings.
D. Aikens distributed a paper copy of the course outline to those attending the
meeting in person. A copy of the presentation will be uploaded to the Board section of the OPTSTD web site. D. Aikens
read the course detail description for the benefit of those on the phone. He said that he could add material offering OP3.001
and OP1.002 as alternatives for ISO 10110 parts 2 4, and part 7. As OP develops more standards, they could be added as
alternatives. He surmised that there is enough material for a full-day class.
C. Gaugh thought that the first part could stand on its own as an overview. D. Aikens agreed that if the introduction to
ISO 10110 could be augmented with two-page summaries of each of the ISO 10110 sections, he could probably reduce the
class to a half day. However, he plans to lay it out as a full-day class at first to see the magnitude of it. A. Krisiloff said that
the class could be set up in two halves because some may only want the first part. There could be a separate charge for each
half, with the advanced topics covered in the second class.
D. Aikens said that his family will be away in August and he will take vacation time to work on the draft.
D. Aikens asked that a review of the classes be added to the next Board meeting. M. Dowell suggested that only one
be covered at the next meeting so that the subject could be covered in depth.
New Business
Paris meeting
: D. Aikens asked for confirmation of whom will attend the ISO/TC 172/SC 1 meeting in Paris June 26
29,2007.
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D. Aikens, confirmed;
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W. Czajkowski, possibly; he has a draft of ISO 10110-6 due;
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G. Kohlenberg, confirmed;
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A. Krisiloff, confirmed;
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R. Williamson, confirmed;
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P. Takacs, not known; he has a draft of ISO 10110-9 due.
He asked that the four who were at the meeting stay afterward to discuss logistics of the Paris meetings.
Sid Braginsky challenge to change the business model
. A. Krisiloff reviewed S. Braginsky's earlier comments about
how large companies such as Kodak had formerly contributed significant funds toward the OEOSC annual budget; but with
changing times such funding is no longer being offered. Since in the US there is no government support for standards
development, OEOSC has difficulty assembling delegations of experts to travel to foreign meetings, and must seek other
sources of funds. His proposed approach was to solicit personal donations for the American standards effort including
international and domestic development. S. Braginsky asked for names of executives at companies of all sizes that he could
personally visit.
In Rochester there are several optical companies. A. Krisiloff has contacted three of them. He told them that he was
approaching with hat in hand about the need for money. He prepared a presentation because he knew that executives expect
prepared material to review. The presentation contained pie charts of the OEOSC financial history because he could get that
data off of the OEOSC web site. However, there needs to be two other parts for future presentations, if we are to take S.
Braginsky's approach seriously:
·
a product oriented description of what has OEOSC done in the past: what kind of training was done and with
associated costs;
·
a strategic view of the near future -- a five-year plan.
He called Mike Mandina at Optimax,but got no return call. He approached JML because he had formerly worked
there, and he knew Jim Sydor of Sydo Optics. J. Sydor said that he belonged to APOMA; perhaps APOMA could contribute
toward OEOSC's expenses. He suggested that a financial report be given to APOMA. D. Aikens replied that APOMA has a
budget comparable to OEOSC's, and is already contributing $5,000 per year to support OEOSC.
A. Krisiloff said that J. Sydor told him that OEOSC has made technical presentations at APOMA meetings, and it
should consider making a business case presentation at the upcoming January meeting.
D. Aikens said that in addition to the three points discussed above, OEOSC needs a pitch to say why it needs lots of
money. A. Krisiloff said that would be part of the strategic, forward-looking plan. He suggested that one pitch might be that
a company, such as JML, could be listed as a sponsor of training course. He described a range of support, from altruistic to
what immediate return to company would result. D. Aikens said that first OEOSC needs to know what it would do if it got
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increased financing. W. Czajkowski said that in-house training is important for companies so that their employees know how
to interpret ISO standards on the shop floor. A. Krisiloff noted that it would not be advantageous to tell companies that
OEOSC would use their contributions to train their competitors. W. Czajkowski countered that contributors could then be
offered discounts for in-house training. Contributions would make it possible for OEOSC to hire an expert to present the in-
house training.
D. Aikens said that OEOSC needs to make a definitive presentation that says OEOSC plans to raise $N to hire X full-
time persons to do Y. The optics industry will benefit by K.
J. Oberheuser said that OEOSC would need to have a range of "gifts" as thank yous for contributions from companies.
For example, if a company contributes $5,000, then OEOSC would give the company a 50% discount for training. If they
give $10,000 then OEOSC would train five employees without charge. OEOSC will need both a five-year and a ten-year plan
for how the contributions will be used.
D. Aikens complimented A. Krisiloff for taking the initiative to have a fresh look at the funding problem.
J. McGuire said that OEOSC needs to plan what they could do with different levels of funding.
D. Aikens commented that OEOSC needs to develop an OEOSC vision so that it knows how to proceed. He suggested
a phone conference brainstorming session. A. Krisiloff suggested that that conference call include the past, present and future
Board Chairs, who would agree upon a set of talking points for the August Board meeting.
J. Oberheuser said that her daughter may be able to help with public relations.
Next Meeting
M. Dowell called for a Board meeting again on August 27, 2007. in San Diego, CA.. She would participate by phone.
Adjournment:
As there was no further business to come before the Board, A. Krisiloff moved that the meeting be adjourned. W.
Czajkowski seconded the motion. The meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
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