Draft
Minutes
ASC OP/TF 4, Conversion of ISO 10110 to a National Standard Task Force Meeting
January 26, 2009
Fairmont Hotel, California Room
170 South Market Street
San Jose, CA 95113
Present
7 Attendees; 1 Alternate Representing 20 ASC OP Member Organizations
Committee Members
Representing
David Aikens
Savvy Optics Corporation
Gordon Boultbee
JDSU Corporation
Andrei Brunfeld
Xyrtex
Benjamin Catching (Alternate)
JDSU Corporation
David Corridon
Individual
Walter Czajkowski
APOMA (Edmund Optics)
Frank Dombrowski
Gage-Line Technology, Inc.
Marla Dowell
IEEE/LEOS
Marla Dowell
NIST
Lincoln Endelman
SPIE, (Endelman Enterprises)
Charles Gaugh
Davidson Optronics, Inc.
Ulph Griesmann
OSA (NIST)
Krishna Gupta
Zygo Corporation
Hal Johnson
Harold Johnson Optical Lab
Alan Krisiloff
Triptar Lens Co., Inc.
Stephen Martinek
4D Technology Corporation
Jonathan McGuire (Alternate)
Northrop Grumman Laser Systems
Sam Richman (Alternate)
Research Electro-Optics, Inc.
William Royall (by phone)
Eastman Kodak Company, Retired
Peter Takacs
Brookhaven
Trey Turner
Research Electro-Optics, Inc.
Steve VanKerkhove
Corning Tropel
Ray Williamson
Ray Williamson Consulting
Observers (3)
Gene Kohlenberg
OEOSC
John Hamilton
Northrop Grumman
Donna Howland
Northrop Grumman Aerospace Systems
Bruce Netherton (by phone)
Lockheed Martin Coherent Technologies
Auditor's Summary of Meeting
At this meeting the Task Force reviewed several parts of ISO 10110 to determine what would need to be changed in
order to make them appropriate candidates for American National Standards. The next meeting was set to be held in
Rochester, NY the second week of May 2009.
1. Welcome and Introductions
D. Aikens opened the meeting at 8:38 a.m. There was a round of introductions so that those on the phone could hear
who was in the room.
2. Adoption of Agenda
G. Boultbee moved that the agenda be approved as revised, and R. Williamson seconded it. The motion carried
unanimously.
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3. Approval of the Minutes of the October 20, 2008 Teleconference
A. Krisiloff moved that the draft minutes be approved; H. Johnson seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
4. Review/approve final version of ISO 10110-1
D. Aikens reviewed draft BSR-OEOSC OP1 110-1 vsn 2 3 giving attention to the changes made to the earlier draft.
He read each ANS Note and discussed the reason for it.
M. Dowell proposed that rather than using ANS Note 7, a statement should be given early in the document listing the
ANS standards and their equivalent ISO standards. D. Aikens said that he could put that table in the ANS foreword.
M. Dowell noted that the table would have to be revised as more ANS equivalent standards were approved. D. Aikens
showed those who were present in the room a table of correlation between ANS and ISO standards that he created for the
ISO 10110 class.
A. Krisiloff said that he was confused about what and when ISO standards will be replaced with ANS standards.
D. Aikens drew a time line for the creation of ANS equivalent standards for ISO 10110 standards. Then A. Krisiloff asked
what the ANS Notes were trying to establish. D. Aikens replied that ISO 10110-1 has explicit references to ISO 10110-2, -
3, -4, -5, -6, and -7. He continued that ANS Note 7 is an implicit reference to equivalent ANS standards when they become
available. After more discussion, ANS Note 7 was moved immediately after the current ANS Note 8.
A. Krisiloff moved that the edited OP1.010 be circulated for balloting. B. Catching seconded the motion. The motion
carried unanimously.
The Task Force recessed at 10:14 am and reconvened at 10:29 a.m. D. Aikens went to register as instructor for the two
OEOSC classes, and A. Krisiloff began chairing the meeting. He chose to move the OP3.001 status report to the next item
so that D. Aikens could participate in other items later on the agenda.
5. Status report on OP3.001 rewrite/ ISO 10110-18
A. Krisiloff presented a chart that compares several optical glass standards. This chart accompanies these minutes on
the optstd.org website. He said that the glass manufacturers are using a different striae condition than what is currently in
OP3.001. OP3.001 has qualitative identifiers while Schott has developed a quantitative method of identifying striae.
D. Aikens suggested that A. Krisiloff create a working draft of the revised OP3.001 to share with those persons who
indicated that they would like to review the updated standard. G. Kohlenberg said that several of those who replied to his
query about reviewing the standard wanted to specifically know what was being proposed so that they could decide who in
their organizations should participate. It would be possible for him to send them a copy of the current document along with
his comparison chart, and then he could describe what he proposed to modify.
D. Aikens urged A. Krisiloff to use information on Schott and O'Hara websites as a background for modifications.
6. Review/Approve final version of ISO 10110-10
D. Aikens resumed leadership of the meeting at this point. The Task Force reviewed the draft standard to make sure
that ANS changes were consistent with what was done in OP1.110-1.
ANSI Note 3 was inserted to make the standard comply with the techniques required by the drafting software
designers.
The ANSI Notes in clause 3.7 are there to recognize common practice in both Europe and the US.
ANSI Note 7 should be made the same as in the comparable note in ISO 10110-1.
R. Williamson asked about the sign convention in ANSI Note 6. D. Aikens said that the ISO convention states that a
convex surface is plus, and a concave surface is minus. R. Williamson suggested that the lens designer convention and the
ISO convention would be consistent if the buried surface were assigned to the right-most surface. The note was modified to
use that convention.
D. Aikens agreed to provide an update for Figure 4, which will be labeled ANS Figure 1. He also agreed to create a
hand drawn doublet and define what goes into the five-box table for a cemented-doublet drawing, and give it to
G. Kohlenberg for insertion into the standard. The note at the bottom of the drawing would now say, "Indications in
accordance with ANSI/OEOSC OP1.110-10."
G. Boultbee moved that the editorial changes to the standard be approved. W. Czajkowski seconded the motion, which
carried unanimously.
7. Status report on OP3.001 rewrite/ ISO 10110-5
A. Krisiloff presented his chart. OP3.001 has a qualitative scale for striae while the glass manufacturers have created a
quantitative scale.
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D. Aikens urged A. Krisiloff to get a working draft quickly.
Figure 3
Aikens to provide Figure 3 changes and a new ANSI figure 1. Aikens will give me data for ANS table.
G. Boultbee moved to accept these changes. W. Czajkowski seconded.
8. Proposed foreword to ISO 10110-5
B. Catching said that first ISO 14999-4 will have to be adopted because items in ISO 10110-5 are defined in
ISO 14999-4.
9. Status report on ISO 14999-4
B. Catching reviewed this document. He said that this document attempts to eliminate the concept of peak-to-valley
(P-V), and wants to define optics solely in terms of sagitta, rotational irregularity, and RMS values. P-V is deeply ingrained
in the US optics industry, so the ANS version cannot simply abandon the concept. A different letter for indication would be
required.
D. Aikens recommended that a work item to create an ANS version of ISO 10110-5 and ISO 10110-14 to serve the US
optics industry. These new versions could then be offered to the international community.
B. Catching was asked to prepare revised forewords for ISO 10110-5, ISO 10110-14, and ISO 14999-4 for the next
meeting.
10. Proposed strategy for ISO 10110-9
G. Boultbee prepared a table that listed proposed areas of change with suggested changes. This table accompanies
these minutes on the optstd web site.
D. Aiekens suggested that ISO 9211 be added to the agenda for the next meeting so that the Task Force can decide if it
should be adopted as an ANS.
11. Proposed strategy for ISO 10110-12
This is a recent revision of ISO asphere standard. B. Catching recommended that this standard be adopted as is and
then work with the ISO committee to make some minor improvements. A. Krisiloff moved that an ANS final draft of this
standard be prepared including the draft ANS foreword that includes a note saying, "References to international standards
shall be replaced with ANS equivalents per ANSI/OEOSC OP1.110-1." R. Williamson seconded the motion. The motion
carried unanimously.
12. Status report ISO 10110-6
R. Williamson said that he contacted Reinhold Litchel, who is responsible for the ISO document. He and his group
has begun a rewrite of the ISO document. That group is interested to see if the US delegation has the same philosophy in
execution.
13. Action items
14. Time and Place of next TF 4 Meeting
R. Williamson moved that the Task Force meet in Rochester, New York during SPIE/APOMA Optifab the second
week in May 2009. B. Catching seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
15. Adjourn
G. Boultbee moved that the meeting be adjourned; B. Catching seconded the motion, which carried unanimously. The
meeting adjourned at 11:53 a.m.
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